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Simon Grant's avatar

Great! I'd love a session sometime following this up. But I'm in New Zealand for the coming two weeks... after that?

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Nature 🌲's avatar

This interview with Michael Levin & Karl Friston about inFORMation and meaning points to pattern as key πŸ”‘ at all β€˜levels’.

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https://open.substack.com/pub/curtjaimungal/p/the-missing-link-between-information?r=3le9sh&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false

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β€œIf the Cosmos is the unfolding of various kinds of organization in relation to other organizations, it is equally, then, at least under this view, the unfolding of various kinds of cycles in relation to other kinds of cycles” πŸ”„

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All things in nature are together in one place.

Each thing is moved by nature’s PATTERN.

Signals give direction. πŸ”

The whole divides in to parts. 🧬

The parts move around and in and out of each other.

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Like water flowing in rivers πŸ’¦ and oceans 🌊 and changing into vapor πŸ’¨ and snow ⛄️❄️and ice 🧊.

The water flows in and out of creatures 🐿️ and plants 🌱.

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Every part is CYCLING πŸ”„ and spiraling πŸŒ€ round and round. πŸ’«β˜„οΈπŸͺβ›ˆοΈπŸ¦ πŸ§¬

Things unFold 🌱 then enFold πŸ‚ .

Everything in the UNIverse fits 🧩 because each part belongs to the ONE whole cosmic song 🎻 and dance πŸ’ƒπŸ» πŸ•ΊπŸ»

The cycling includes spirit πŸ«₯ .

I have been out of body and had a past life experience. πŸ˜‰

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Simon Grant's avatar

Nice piece of reflective... er... philosophy Matthew! The question which comes up for me is, what difference would it make to replace "the Cosmos is ..." with the Cosmos can be seen as ... " or even more "the Cosmos can be seen through the lens of, or from the perspective of ..." ?

I tend to react to "the reality is this" statements with a contrarian "well, why not see it as that as well?" whereas if you introduce another perspective, another point of possible view, another (non-exclusive) way of seeing and understanding things, that draws me in to wonder, "what does that way of seeing/knowing give us that the others don't?" And maybe they do, but like programming languages, some things are much easier in one language than another, even though every Turing complete language can express any program in principle.

Actually I'd much rather have this conversation interactively than in written text. It deserves the nuance and the non-verbally expressed respect and appreciation....

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Matthew McCarthy's avatar

Thanks Simon, and yes I completely agree, the β€œcan be seen as” is the better way of phrasing it, which is what I originally had done (β€˜under this view the Cosmos is…) but in this post in particular I didn’t.

Also, what you said about β€˜fluidity’ makes a lot of sense and is something I’ve been considering a lot lately. But hopefully we can discuss it all over a call sometime soon.

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